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Post by Mistress Mandoli on Aug 8, 2007 20:00:31 GMT -5
For all talk concerning the Ultimate Survivor games on both GSN and Extreme Dodgeball Fanatics. This is to make sure that nobody litters any of the other threads unless they need the Administrator to modify any of the threads.
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Post by Maneki Neko on Aug 9, 2007 17:14:03 GMT -5
(Note: The following choices do not necessarily reflect my opinion on who should go into any Hall next. I will give you my choices later.)
Okay. So... Now that Cullen is in the Hall of Fame, who do you think should go next, in UGSHS 23? This is an active discussion on hosts that you think have done well enough to earn that right. Are you an Ultimate Film Fanatic and think that Ms. Johnson is due? How about Drew Carey, since The Power Of 10 shows that he can host? Is Richard Dawson the Feud master and #1 on your survey? This is an open discussion.
Also, now that we have a 22nd installment of the Tournament of Losers, who would you like to see dropped into the dreaded Hall of Shame next? Has Sinatra Onieyewacki finally gotten a fatal Bee sting? Does Regis Philbin stick in your craw because he caught onto a game show that was immensely popular?
What about the Masters tourney? We've had 11 people go in there and of them, 5 have graduated to the Hall of Fame, so it's a pretty good barometer for who should be in the Hall but isn't. Is this finally Bob Saget's time to beat the Mob? Is Jeff Foxworthy smart enough to make it to the Underdog Hall? Does Mike Adamle have his due? (And will anyone write entrance skits for the last 4 winners?)
Last but not least, the little engine that could, the Tournament of Overrated Hosts. It's only in it's 3rd installment, but who is so exponentially overrated that you can't see why everyone kisses the ass of the host? Does Ryan Seacrest finally have his due? Is Joe Rogan just making too many disgusting things to be anywhere else? There is no immunity from the ToOH, just so you all know. The only way out is to have those hosts be Underdogs of the Year, inducted into the HoF, or dropped to Overrated Alley.
Discuss your thoughts on hosts you think are due and share them here. This also might help rationalize certain hosts that there is no accord on. Finally, what do you think of the Limbo concept? That a host who is thrown into Limbo cannot go to either tournament until 7 other hosts get sent to Limbo? Should it be made permanent?
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Post by pokerjoker811 on Aug 9, 2007 19:22:58 GMT -5
In order of your questions:
1. I'd love to see Dawson in the Hall this time around. I looked through the list of hosts, and I can't see anyone else who'd be as good to join the Hall of Fame that actually has a realistic shot at it.
2. Sinatra. Thousand Dollar Bee is one of the biggest dreck-fests it's ever been my displeasure to see 4 minutes of. Carr and Bergen would be candidates for the spot in ToL 23 for me.
3. My top candidates for Underdog Hall are Lane, Adamle and Foxworthy. Dylan because nobody on the planet seems to like the guy, Mike because his skills seem to be underappreciated to a much lesser extent, and Jeff for the same reason. If I had to rank the 3 in terms of underrated-ness, I'd go Lane, Foxworthy, Adamle.
4. Seacest is a given for this time around, no questions asked. Rogan, Carr et al. are top candidates for Overrated Alley in ToOH 4. He's got a 30 already, barring a shocker, so I'd put my money on him.
5. I like the limbo concept. "He's somewhere, floating bewtween loserdom and underratedness. A land not seen by mortal hosts. A place known only as........hosting limbo."
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Post by Mistress Mandoli on Aug 9, 2007 21:42:04 GMT -5
Okay. So... Now that Cullen is in the Hall of Fame, who do you think should go next, in UGSHS 23? This is an active discussion on hosts that you think have done well enough to earn that right. Are you an Ultimate Film Fanatic and think that Ms. Johnson is due? How about Drew Carey, since The Power Of 10 shows that he can host? Is Richard Dawson the Feud master and #1 on your survey? In no particular order: Dawson, Clark, Johnson. And that's it for now. Honestly, if some people had their way (Neko not hosting and a select few not voting), it would be Bob Barker up there. I know he's a good host, but there are some factors I see that are preventing him at this point in time. It's just that I don't wish for him to be up in the Hall of Fame because of that whole model lawsuit thing, and the fact that he fired some of them because of issues that he had with them. Maybe in the future, he'll be up there. But for now, he might not have a chance. I'm with Ryan (partially) on this one. I think Sinatra Onieyewacki should definitely get his trip to the H-O-S. That's Hall of Shame for those of you illiterate people here. And trust me, after seeing that dreck on YouTube, I think most people will be pleased to stick him down there permanently. Though I think we should leave Jimmy Carr out of this. He's been though too many installments of this crap to be put through the ringer one too many times. How many installments will it take before he finally sees the light of day? Seriously. Same with Michael Burger and Alan Thicke. I think if the three of them spend five installments in the Million Dollar Masters tournament, I think the world will shine bright. I'd love to make a chain with Dylan Lane in the Underdog Hall. I think he's one of the few people that grew hosting-wise during the offseason. Or I think Drew Carey should make it. I don't think he's Hall of Fame material (yet, as most people don't really think he's someone who's that good of a host, though he has finished high as of late), but I think that he deserves a trip away from the Hall of Shame. God, the two candidates that are already in there (Sajak and Summers) already have huge egos. Perhaps having someone who gets his arse kissed by millions of screaming teenagers twice a week every American Idol season might be exactly what we need dumped in Overrated Alley. I say Seacrest gets his butt sent there. And I say he goes this time around. Quite frankly, others seem to agree with this statement. I love this idea. At least if someone gets thrown back and forth between the Tournament of Losers and the Million Dollar Masters way too many times, they have a place to go for the time begin. I think of it as a tropical vacation destination, but not as inclusive as most people get on game shows. I say keep the seven host in limbo limit, because if that list gets to be too huge, people might start complaining about it, and that might set me off on their arse. And those are my opinions. If you actually feel the need to reply, please reply. I'm open to giving you more details about my long reply. Honestly, this might be the longest thing I have ever done in my life. I didn't even modify this, and it's this long to begin with.
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Post by Maneki Neko on Aug 9, 2007 23:28:23 GMT -5
I'm going to give you my list of hosts I think deserve a shot:
Hall of Fame: Right now? Dawson, Lange, Clark, Malave, Edwards, Johnson, and Cooper. The reason I put Anderson Cooper so low is that he's recently acting like he never did The Mole. Megan Johnson I think there's no middle ground with. People either love her gum decimating and anti-social behavior or they detest it. She will be the hardest person to get into the Hall of Fame. It's not going to be an easy fight.
ToL: I know you're expecting me to say Tom Bergeron. No. My top three choices are Sinatra Onieyewacki, Ahmad Rashad, and Bob Bergen. Jimmy is 4th. But A lot of these hosts have been in the ToL forever and a half, such as Alan Thicke. I can't remember him ever being out of the ToL.
Masters: I'm going to throw you a curve on this one. My three top choices are Jeff Foxworthy, Drew Carey and Amanda Byram. Amanda has impressed me keeping Dennis Miller at bay on Grand Slam, without a word of lie. Dylan Lane would be a very close 4th. I think he's improved as of late, and is a good definition of an underdog -- a host that is much better than most people let on.
Overrated Hosts: I have to be realistic with this one. There are a lot of hosts I view as overrated. I could give you at least a dozen that are in this tourney that I think are. It's going to be Seacrest this installment, I think. It's more like "Who wouldn't I like to see in Overrated Alley?" Down the road we'll probably see similar big ego'd hosts down there, like Philbin or Rogan.
The Limbo concept will stay as is. Seven more hosts have to go to Limbo before Bob Barker will be released.
By the way, I had nothing to do with that 30 nod on Carr in the ToOH.
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Post by Mistress Mandoli on Aug 10, 2007 0:03:32 GMT -5
Apparently, Nate didn't make his way over here to read my little take of who I'd like to see in the respective Halls/Alley. He's missing out on a wild conversation that should be wilder if we get more people chiming in on this. (You might need to get people to flock over here and tell us themselves rather than vote one day at a time. That's going to get nowhere fast, and we will be at this forever until someone's in the Hall of Fame, Underdog Hall, Hall of Shame, and Overrated Alley.)
With that said, I would love to see Regis Philbin chucked in the Overrated Alley. That's after I see Seacrest (who probably claims that he's still not gay) get dumped before him. Then chaos begins. I bet we get some half-arsed final two for that one. Philbin and somebody who, in my opinion, doesn't deserve to place high -- like Bergeron or Carr.
Speaking of Carr, we need to get together with the rest of the people who dislike him and come up with a set installment of when he should leave. I do not want to see him in the Hall of Shame before seeing the Million Dollar Masters tournament. You know how much I believe in the whole "fairness and variety" mantra I talk about at the start of every MDM/ToL contest. Different people make for better ratings. But at the rate we're going, the same people make the same Unlucky Seven/10-Spot/30-Spot nominations, and that makes coming up with fresh meat a bit difficult. Just for once, nobody who has been introduced for the first time in a ToL is sent to the MDM and vice versa. Let's get some of the veterans mixed around before we send rookies out immediately. I'd love that idea. Nobody seems to listen to it.
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Post by pokerjoker811 on Aug 10, 2007 0:33:55 GMT -5
OK, I'll let Carr into MDM 13 (since the spots for 12 are almost filled up). And (deal proposition alert!) I'll let Thicke in MDM 13, but on one condition: Ludwig gets into MDM 12.
For the Masters: I'm reserving full judgement on Carey until after his TPIR debuts. Byram, well, she's doing stats, and she's kind of a second banana to Miller, and I don't really have much to go on. Her role's too reduced for me to let her in anywhere except the villa of the in-between. Like I said, I like Foxworthy. So what do you say to a final 2 in MDM 12 of Foxworthy vs. Lane?
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Post by Maneki Neko on Aug 10, 2007 1:04:37 GMT -5
HONEST ASSESSMENT AHEAD, only read if you have a strong stomach. Bergeron is overrated, at least in my opinion by a ridiculous margin. I have heard so many people say how great he is, and I don't see it, quite frankly. I also will say that the only way he will end up in a final two will be if I change the voting regulations like Shelly did in a very cheap effort to get Shadoe Stevens and Jay Stewart into her Hall of Fame. That's really it. There's no other reason she changed the vote limit. Jimmy Carr might get into Overrated Alley, but it won't happen for quite some time. He has a lot of people that don't like him and a lot of people that do like him. Oh yeah, Mandy. If you're still online, you might want to sign up for this game.
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Post by Mistress Mandoli on Aug 10, 2007 14:26:29 GMT -5
OK, I'll let Carr into MDM 13 (since the spots for 12 are almost filled up). And (deal proposition alert!) I'll let Thicke in MDM 13, but on one condition: Ludwig gets into MDM 12. Here's the thing: Getting rookies into the MDM tournaments now is like giving us frequent flyer miles. That's basically all we do. I say if anyone goes in that final spot, it's someone who has been in the ToL for quite some time now. I'm done with giving new folk passes out in their debut installment. Those who deserve to be out are those who have spent half of their lives in the ToL, and I would be grateful to send those people out instead of new kin. Am I not speaking clear?
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Post by Maneki Neko on Aug 10, 2007 15:02:04 GMT -5
Mandy has a point, actually quite a point. I think that we should get some of the old pros into the Masters, but I'm not sure it'll happen any time soon with the dual FF's. We might get them into the 13th installment though.
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Post by Mistress Mandoli on Aug 10, 2007 19:38:11 GMT -5
Oh, Neko. You never cease to amaze me. Really, most of the people in the tournament have been there for quite some time now. If we could all band together and send out Carr, Thicke, Burger (when he returns next time around), I'd love to see that happen. No rookies should be sent out until the veterans have been cleaned out. If those fresh faces have to spend some time in the ToL before they get shipped out, then so be it. At the moment, I'm pretty decided with my choice of who gets that final spot.
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Post by pokerjoker811 on Aug 10, 2007 20:15:14 GMT -5
I just don't think Ludwig's gotten a fair shake, is all. I'd rather have her in the Masters and some different rookie spend a round in the ToL. And even if Thicke or Carr got into the Masters, they'd nose-dive right back into the ToL faster than you can say "Why is this guy the Masters?". Besides, we did let a guy into the Masters this time around that's been stuck in the ToL for a long time now: Bert Convy.
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Post by Maneki Neko on Aug 10, 2007 20:49:19 GMT -5
And you have no idea how much that pained me. There were two hosts I never got into growing up -- one was Bert Convy, the other was Bob Barker. I let him in this time around because I knew Mandy wanted fresh meat. Carr might bounce back to the ToL and eventually end up in Limbo. But I think that Alan Thicke has been abused so ridiculously long that he's going to end up in the Masters for a while, that is, if Shelly and her golden boy Bergeron are any guide. "Oh, he was in the ToL for 6 whole installments". Alan Thicke feels sorry for him.
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Post by Mistress Mandoli on Aug 10, 2007 22:00:30 GMT -5
I do have my reasons for saying who should deserve to go into the MDM. Why I get shafted and see the same schmos wind up moving on is anyone's guess. JD Roth was just in the MDM last time around, and because he got sent to the ToL, everyone pisses me off and sends him back into the MDM. Uh, that was what I fear. People should know that the same people can't be flip-flopping back and forth between the two tournaments.
The MDM is the hardest tournament to date to choose someone to win, only because there is a ton of overrated people in there (in my opinion). One of them has his pass into the MDM at this point in time (Roth). And I'm afraid he'll be next because two people think he's all that. No offense, Ryan, but I can't stand him worth anything. He looks like a teenage boy still, even if he had that facial hair still.
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Post by Maneki Neko on Aug 10, 2007 23:30:21 GMT -5
Well, you have to look at the bright side of this, Mandy. He's bounced twice in a row. Two more bounces and guess where he's going? Yep. He's gonna join ol' Bobbo in Limbo.
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